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I've showered next to the same guy a couple of times at the gym (he's black). The first time I saw him (yes I'm str8 but peek occasionally) I thought "wow! there's a black guy with an average white guys dick". It was just an interesting observation more than anything else as I too expect blacks guys to be larger soft (never seen a hard one in person - other than mine). I wondered if he felt extra expectations were on him because of his race.

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What about Mike from the penis posse? He's black.

His Username is BiCent. Though he only gets to the site occasionally these days, several of us stay in touch with him. He talked in some of his posts here on Measurection about dealing with the black male stereotype as a tall black man whose endowment is below average.

 

 

Alan G

 

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I've never heard of a stereotype about Irish men being smaller than average. The only 'small' sterotype I've heard relates to Asian men.

 

I'm sure there is data somewhere on the internet about the average size of a black man's penis, but of course it would have the same issues we discuss at length on :m: when we talk about statistical data. Self-measurement errors, inaccuracy etc.

 

The black men I've have sex with were all significantly larger than the average guy, but then that's probably because it's the well-hung guys who are out and about picking up girls in bars and clubs. They usually have the confidence.

 

Carla x

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wasn't there an article on the main page several months ago about a play called "the irish curse" or something like that?

There was, indeed. The title of the Off Broadway play was "The Irish Curse." The front page blog article was titled New Off Broadway Play about Men with Small Penises.

 

BTW, the initial post in that blog was made about two years ago.

 

 

Alan G

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It was supposed to say your, not you. I was jokingly asking if your folks know you're not black. On a tengentially related note, when Hades met my grandmother, we stayed at her house. She has glaucoma, and after we'd been there for 12 hours or so, she finally saw him stand directly under a light. She suddenly blurted, "Oh! You're not black?" We still tease her about this, and my husband still laughs until it hurts. It was like that moment in Hear No Evil, See no Evil, when Richard Pryor's character is reminded by a well-meaning sibling that he is black. He responds, "What? It's a scandal! Does Mom know?"

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Growing up I'd never heard about Irishmen being less endowed. I'd always heard about the "Irish curse" but that was supposed to be alcoholism. It wasn't until "Goodwill Hunting" came out that I first of the Irish curse being a small dick.

 

Since then, its seems to have taken hold in pop culture. I wonder, if we asked people who came of age before Goodwill Hunting if they'd heard of the Irish curse referring to dicks before that movie if they would say yes. I think they would answer the same as me--that is, no they hadn't heard that interpretation.

 

 

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Those are memories! We have a number of mixed families in our clan. I remember when my very white, very platinum blond cousin married "Bill," who was a very black NFL player of about 6'8" and 350 lbs. Our 80+ -year-old grandmother always referred to him as being very tan. :lol:

 

"Bill" is a great guy. Unfortunately, he and my cousin divorced, but they have two sons who are likely NFL bound! The younger one is just in high school and he is already being scouted by the pros.

 

P.S. My dad's parents passed away several years ago, but we used to call them Archie and Edith. Those of you who are old enough will know what I mean.

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point taken about uk/ni...was talking about the island of ireland, dont think big difference in dick size suddenly after the spot of former border checkpoints either. Was thinking boastfully of hands (dicks) across the sea, guess my imagination could EXTEND that to across the border checkpoints.. :o : :smirk:

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Could you give us the source as to where you came across the idea of Irish=small? I'm Irish (hence the name) and believe me the majority of men I've seen and been with, here in Ireland do not qualify as small. The fact that everyone is questioning this thing about Irish on this thread must mean that you are the only person to come across this notion. Strange. But then again I'm Irish and 5.5" and 4.25 girth, so maybe I am the origin of the misnomer? lol

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The use of the phrase the Irish curse, long pre-dates the Off Broadway play.

 

The Urban Dictionary has as its first rated definition, "A very small penis." Its second definition says, "The classic definition is "red nose, short hose"; i.e., the tendency of Irish men to take to alcohol and to have a smaller than average penis." It's third and somewhat more colorful definition is, "All Potatoes, No Meat! Small Penis and large testicles."

 

I read somewhere that the current usage is a corruption of its original meaning which was a reference to the habit of Irish men to drink excessive alcohol and then to be unable to get it up. I guess you could say the Irish curse originally referred to alcohol induced erectile dysfunction.

 

 

Alan G

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When it comes to porn, always think in terms of placing $$$$$$ at the very beginning of the equation.

 

In other words, based on what you've seen, there are waaaaaay more big-dicked black guys willing to perform in porn for the $$$$$$ which have been proffered for their performance, especially if you're just talking str8 porn.

 

However, since gay porn pays (much) better, a fair number of white guys (regardless of dick-size) who might also be scratching for $$$$$$, have tended to go that alternate route, in what's called gay-for-pay, always remembering too that gay "bottoms" (somewhat ironically) are at the very top of the pay scale.

 

Despite the better pay, there aren't too many black guys (of any dick-size) willing to do gay-for-pay porn with any versatility, and almost none who are willing to "bottom."

 

For whatever cultural/historical reasons you wish to attribute to this phenomenon, most big-dicked black guys would rather simply stroke their own egos by flaunting their stuff for all it's worth in dominant hetero scenes at minimum porn pay, rather than go for the big bucks by doing gay-for-pay, or the really big bucks shelled out for "bottoming."

Rick makes a pretty good point. remember too that porn feeds stereotypes and you cannot get into porn as a black guy if you're not packing major trouser heat. furthermore the black guys that get around a lot are probably the ones with the bigger penises. hence why a size queen or a "loose cannon" type of girl will always seem to have more encounters with bigger penises than the average woman, they seek these things out and thus find.

 

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who knows...... its especially weird when you hear black guys complaining about having 6-6.5 inches. when technically 6.5 inches is supposed to be the average black males size... "waits for the racist accusations" who knows how all that got started. the world is a very strange place where a lot of stereotypes are started. the irsh thing i dont know. ive got irish blood in me. 5.1-5.5 or whatever a lot of people consider to be small when technically its considered the universal average or norm. penis size is just not viewed very realistically in the modern day. jelq your dick itll get bigger......hmmmmmmmm take these pills your dick will grow....hmmmmmmmmmm.

i dont think anyone really has the answers for any of these questions truly. we all have to accept ourselves and it seems that that is the hardest thing to do of all. and im sure whether youre black, or irish or whatever. thats something all men will struggle with.

 

ye of course we would complain ... with a stereotype like that, we would be seen as "small". i have been turned down before because of my size and i am slightly above average in length (though my girth is average or slightly below). what people don't realize is who that stereotype affects the most and how much. it's not asians, whites, latinos .... it's us black men who don't fit the stereotype. to be rejected because of my size, by a black female ... it doesn't get much lower. now i question everything regarding longterm relationships and the ability of a female companion to remain faithful with a "small black dick". or as she said, i wasn't "long enough".

 

asians complain, and apparently irish will but if you are not small (don't fit the stereotype) you can only go uphill from there (if the female believes in silly things like stereotypes). so a female thinking asians are small, once she discovers he is not, she is pleasantly surprised. where is our uphill? almost all women who sleep around assume we're all hung and hence will only be disappointed when she realizes you do not fit the mold. feelings of inadequacy that won't ever be quelled. trust issues, inability to let women in for fear of being ridiculed. that's what a lot of us 'outliers' have to face.

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+1

 

I'm in complete agreement here, but I tend to keep these thoughts to myself because they are out of place on this board. However, in spite of the numerous studies referenced here, in my experience there is absolutely nothing to suggest that 5.1" to 5.5" is average for black men.

 

Truthfully though, the problems I've had with my size were the result of my own neurotic and narcissistic tendencies. Black male masculinity and sexuality are based on penis size to a far greater extent than it is for other races, which makes it difficult to come to terms with being average, but I've come to accept that I don't have to conform to that. Nothing would make me happier, of course, but having imaginary competition with some stereotypical well-hung black guy that I imagine to be what women desire or need has done nothing to improve the quality of my life or relationships. I just make the most of what I have, and it works more often than it doesnt. $0.02.

 

 

 

 

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However, in spite of the numerous studies referenced here, in my experience there is absolutely nothing to suggest that 5.1" to 5.5" is average for black men.

 

Hey 5tar!

 

I agree,-- although from an unbiased scientific/medical point of view, it's quite difficult to prove that you're correct.

 

And the reason is simple,-- there has been very little done on a scientifically-acceptable basis devoted exclusively to the measurement of the average erect black penis.

 

To begin, almost nothing has ever been done on this subject within Africa itself (other than in Egypt, which is more reflective of the pan-Arab world). And while blacks may well figure into the over-all statistics done in multi-racial/multi-ethnic nations, their numbers are generally not tallied separately from the national numbers, as has been the case, for example, in Brazil (where it's very politically-incorrect to even mention anything about possible racial differences, let alone to point out rather obvious variations in skin hue).

 

So far, the only scientifically-reliable erect penis study, focussing exclusively on black men, that I've been able to locate, was done some years ago in Nairobi, Kenya. There, they determined that the average erect penis-size range to be approximately 5.9 inches.

 

In Brazil, where blacks/mixed-race blacks comprise somewhere between 30-40% of the total population (my unofficial estimate, based on my having lived there, as official Brazilian government statistics ignore race), studies done on male Brazilian military inductees indicate that the average erect penis-size range there to be around 5.6-5.7 inches.

 

So, both the Kenyan study and the several Brazilian studies show an average range slightly higher than the oft-cited 5.1-5.5-inch range.

 

 

Truthfully though, the problems I've had with my size were the result of my own neurotic and narcissistic tendencies. . . . (i.e.,) having imaginary competition with some stereotypical well-hung black guy that I imagine to be what women desire or need, (a point which) has done nothing to improve the quality of my life or relationships.

 

Exactly so! :waytogo:

 

Rick

 

 

 

 

 

 

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studies done on male Brazilian military inductees indicate that the average erect penis-size range there to be around 5.6-5.7 inches.

 

Military inductees in Brazil have their erect penises measured? Really?? :bugeyes:

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