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Those forums with those "size queens" should just be ignored -

 

Women like that are so shallow and pathetic you are far better off without them, however, men are just the same.

 

Alot of my friends, just as im sure many other guys do, judge women on looks, its just a natural things Big tits + better ...

 

I guess thats what porn has done to the world, i'm only 20 but my approach to all this is very old fashioned

 

but just ignore those websites and those women, they are just cock hungry sluts with 0 interest in emotions or feelings - not a suitable person to want to be with if you ask me :)

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Interesting to read your post, top, as well as all the responses.

 

I suppose what I was trying to say -maybe badly- was that (although you're right, there is much more prejudice against small than big), I really do doubt if this is actually based on anything, other than peoples internalised fears.

 

I really have looked into this one quite deeply; I've had this debate so many times, where people state that very few people prefer small. A while ago I started collecting links from the net to disprove this.

 

The fact is that there really are just as many people who prefer average and small as prefer big -including women. The fact is that people don't find these links and other evidence because they don't look; it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's difficult, because it sounds like a kind of victim blaming or something to some people, but that's not the case. Of course smaller guys don't -on the whole- want to be shamed (although SPH does exist of course), but often they are not open to any more positive view of themselves.

 

Of course I'm not saying that someone with a 3" penis will never have problems, but many of these guys who are almost suicidal over their size are actually nearer 4 or 5. Even with a micro, I honestly don't think they have it any harder -no pun intended- than someone who is 9".

 

I take your point about vaginas stretching; people often talk about women having babies etc etc. However I do think you have to be very careful here. This idea that the vagina stretches infinitely is itself one of these size myths. Sure, women give birth, but that's hardly a pleasurable experience is it?; that's why women had ether and later gas etc. I'd be a bit wary of this 'fisting' thing too. Practices in gay S&M and porn are hardly the norm (There's no prejudice here, I am bi and interested in kink). The truth is that there are far fewer women outside of porn who are into this than there are women who are into a small penis!

 

In reality the vagina isn't a bottomless pit, and very few females can accommodate a very large (and certainly a very long) penis -say over 8- or even 7 inches in comfort. Yes, a few can in my experience, but 'a few' is the very phrase small guys use to talk about the number of girls who prefer them! As a big -even a very big- guy, I never found my size gave me any advantage over anyone else, rather the opposite. Talking purely about women, the majority don't care about penis size at all in the way that men do, unless it is either very big or very small, and then just as many would prefer small if that was the choice.

 

My aim in posting on sites like this is not to claim prejudice against small doesn't exist, but that it's not based on anything real.

 

 

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Hi there bigfor

 

Annoyingly, I agree with you on most of your points! Yes, I agree that in the 4-6 inch range (one inch above and below the average, more or less), physically you're talking about a perfectly workable penis for most activities.

 

One inch below that (3"), penetrative sex becomes a problem, and for some women and gay bottoms, lack of penetration is something of a deal-breaker. An inch above (7") is still not too problematic, so I would say that even physically, the further you move away from the average, the sooner physical issues kick in for smaller guys, so I don't just think it's psychological, although I do think our society madly overstates the issue.

 

I would have to take issue on the matter of preference, however. I'm a big fan of small dicks, and have always been upfront about this, but have found very few similar-minded souls. On the gay side of things, there are only a tiny number of even 'smallish' actors (most of whom are actually average but look small for porn, like Cam Kincaid), plus a handful of tumblr sites that cater to guys who like small ones. I'm sure that if there was money to be made from selling small-dick porn, the adult entertainment industry would have cashed in by now and half the guys on this site would be in work!

 

Likewise, from my experience of having many close female friends, I've never come across one who preferred small dicks, and, again, there is no economic demand from women for small-dick actors in porn. I would have said the most popular size for women is 'a little over average: say 6.5" or so.

 

Before all you small guys start throwing yourselves off cliffs and under buses, however, I'd have to point out that my experience has been that for most people of either gender, I don't think it's a huge deal. If you think of all the famous guys the world loves (George Clooney, Matt Damon etc.), no-one has any idea how big their erections are, and I doubt if most men or women would throw them out of bed if they turned out to have a small one.

 

People joke about big dicks, and stupidly shame small ones, but I don't think it's based in anything real. If you're after casual sex, you want someone who's cute, and fun in bed. Yes, a very small or large one might not get you a rematch from some people, unfortunately. If you're after a relationship, I don't think dick size will be very high on anyone's list, as there are so many other more important things to worry about!

 

So, I think the saving grace for most small (and very large) guys is indifference! I think when it comes down to it, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, because everyone considers the 'whole package' (sorry!) when it comes to sex or relationships. Even if you're a size queen, would you shag someone you found ugly just because they had a big one?

 

However, I would say that all the 'small is bad' messages DO affect people's confidence, as some of the other contributors to this thread have shown, and confidence is a major factor in getting and keeping a sex partner. Yes, you can say the insecurity isn't based on something real, but that doesn't make it go away, any more than a person loses a phobia when it's pointed out that it's irrational. That's why I feel these stupid and thoughtless messages should be challenged wherever possible as not reflecting the reality of people's preferences, or of capability in bed. And I'd agree with anonymous, that people who talk like that are best avoided "“ especially sexually!

 

Sorry 'bout the essay folks! Lots of love.

 

 

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About the porn. I worked for years in the retail end. Lots of articles about how there was a need for more realistic porn. A storyline, romance....

Well a few companies did this, one CEO a woman, to produce films that appeal to the larger masses, not just the sex sex and more sex crowd.

 

It flopped. A few said we want romance and made it sound as if there was a demand.

Wasn't true.

 

So a handful of people want big dicks and make the most noise. The majority don't give a damn.

 

Why does porn have larger sized guys. It's not reality, is entertainment and everything is exaggerated. Are most guys tall dark and handnsome. Is every woman a Rachel Welch, Loni Anderson or that canadian beachbimbo

 

No, most women are more like Edith Bunker and men are more like Ralph Cramden than Orlando Bloom (Legolas) and Katy Perry.

 

It's all an illusion.

 

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I am just wondering if the times get harder for guys with average/below average penises? When I look at the profiles of the active members lots of you are much older then I am.

 

Since your youth and my youth a lot has changed. Most women go to work and are independent, so they do not need a man anymore "to survive". Additional to that women can search online for partners (if for casual sex or a relationship). Big dick guys will most likely advertise with what they have, so women will have no problems finding big guys. Additional to that porn is nearly omnipresent in the internet and leads to the fact, that average looks damn small.

 

I just wonder if these facts totally change the "dating market" and the standards of what women expect?

It seems that penis size is so common a topic these days. Small penis jokes are everywhere in the media.

 

 

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Hey guys,

 

I am just wondering if the times get harder for guys with average/below average penises? When I look at the profiles of the active members lots of you are much older then I am.

 

As an early 50's man, things have changed a lot over the past 10 years.

 

Probably media & research based.

 

My partner of 13 years had never commented much on my penis size in that time; following a 27 year marriage to a man she describes as hung like a horse.

 

General feedback was my size was just perfect; something I slightly considered to be the "Goldilocks Syndrome", given how much she enjoys larger dildos & never frowns on me pulling on a cock sleeve; quite the contrary, always finds that exciting.

 

She's an avid reader of women's magazines, which are more recently bringing up the "Size" topic.

 

Referencing articles like these:-

 

Cosmpolitian

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the related study.

 

All in all, a lot more information is about. Their ideal preferred size being almost 2" above myself.

 

What I noticed most over the last year or so is the influence of these articles have had.

 

Just a few nights ago was a good example. During some long loud sex, she's telling me how big I am and how she feels so huge inside her, filling her right up; something that was never mentioned years before.

 

The words "Fuck me harder with that Big Cock" were even uttered...

 

4 1/2" to almost 5" maxed out and rock hard, and

4 1/2" girth at the extreme, I'm hardly huge.

Especially not in comparison to some of the favourite toys.

 

But that's what the media has painted as the desirable.

 

Quite frankly it's not overly exciting to be told how huge you feel inside, when you know and personally actually can feel that you are not...

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For years I lied about my penis size because as a 6'5" big man, my penis doesn't match the rest of my body. I have big feet, big hands, long legs and arms....huge everywhere except my 5" penis. I read all the studies about size and I know I'm only slightly below average but on my big body my small penis looks even smaller.

 

Then I met a fuck buddy online and when we met up for the first time we had incredible sex. She was amazing. We continued to meet fairly regularly and she was always very insistent I give her oral and get her off multiple times with my tongue. One day she tells me, "You are so good at oral. I'd never fuck you if you didn't eat pussy so well". This was a shock and I asked why. She was very nice. We weren't exclusive and she had affairs with many other men and often told me about them. She bluntly says, "Oh sweetie...you have to know you have a small dick...right?"

 

I was so embarrassed, but she told me it was fine and that I was the only guy she'd let do anal. She guessed my size to be a little bigger than I was. She guessed 5.5", probably because I'm reasonably thick. She went on to tell me that most men she has been with were 6"-7.5" and I was the second smallest she'd ever had.

 

Funny thing was, the more she talked about my size, the more turned on I got. Not from a SPH sort of thing, but because I was opening up about something I'd hidden my entire life. It felt so good to utter the words, "I have a small penis" and it not terrify me.

 

A few years later I had a similar conversation with my wife. She also confirmed I was small and told me I was the smallest she'd had.

 

I wish I had a big cock, but I don't and I'm okay with that fact now. I still enjoy admitting I have a small penis. It's just so freeing in a society that seems to value "bigger is better".

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The thing is that whilst lots of women state 7" as their preferred size, how many women actually find men whom are 7"? Statistically speaking, probably not many!

 

Women are poor judges of size by eye, that's not meant to be an offensive remark or by anyway detract from the intelligence of women, it's just generally true in the same way women display certain traits above the level found in men.

 

As an example a friend of my gf and I has regularly stated her guys penis as around 7" long, now having masturbated with him and sucked his cock on many occasions I can unequivocally say that he is around my own length and if it is indeed longer it's by a fraction of an inch and not obvious to the eye.

 

I think a lot of this is guy's who state their length as 7" and women simply don't see a reason to dispute it! Ask a female to hold her hands 7" apart and I guarantee her hands will part no more than 6"!

 

Women who claim most guys they've had sex with are around 6.5" - 7" haven't actually verified their size by measuring it, let's face it, how many of us guys have actually given our partners a ruler and said "measure me" I doubt it'll be many.

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This woman's judgement of your size has been skewed by its comparison to your stature. It's a common optical illusion and one I suffer myself as I'm very broad and muscular in build with very big hands (like shovels as many describe them) and this gives the appearance of my girth being less than it actually is. As you are very tall it makes the penis appear shorter.

 

As I said in my previous post on this thread most women haven't actually measured their guy's penis and simply go by his claim on its size. For any woman to claim that most guys they've been with were 6"-7.5" is proof of this as even the less reliable penis size studies put the top end of the average scale at 6.25" thus casting doubt on their size claims.

 

Most guys I've had encounters with have appeared to have much more girth than me, but once my own is actually against the other there's usually little visible difference, it's simply an optical illusion at play.

 

7" is not a common size, somewhere around the 95th percentile, in comparison 5" is a very common size and rounding it up to quarter inch increments 5.25" (5.1" the exact size) is by far and away the most numerous thus common penis size amongst human males. 20,000 penises where measured independently and not "self" measured to arrive at this average.

 

The other misconception here is the correlation between height and penis size, tall man doesn't ever mean big/long penis as there's absolutely no correlation between body size or any body part and the size of the penis. For anyone to think otherwise is simply down to a lack of knowledge in anatomy and social misconceptions.

 

If it were true then women seeking hung men would simply look for the specific body trait indicative of a big penis thus leaving the average man devoid of sexual contact, eventually because only tall men were procreating, gene pools and evolution would see the average man consigned to the minority in males and it simply isn't that simple!

 

Short, tall, fat, thin, black, white, big feet, small feet, large hands, small hands, big ears, big nose or long face will never be a reliable indication of how big a man's dick is.

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there's absolutely no correlation between body size or any body part and the size of the penis.

 

Common sense tells me that if there was an easy way to tell the size of a man's penis simply by checking out a particular part of his anatomy, we'd have worked it out years (decades? centuries?) ago.

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Hi top.

 

Well, Im replying a bit belatedly here,but You kow how argumentative I am by now, so this post should come as no surprise!.

 

I do think we agree about some things here, but maybe not about some others.The problem I feel is that-although I agree entirely with what you say,i.e.challenging prejudice-I think the real way of doing that is to explode the whole idea that in rellity people prefer big,otherwise I think it can just look like us bigger guys are being patronising.

 

Just think for a minute. There are all manner of things that people THINK everybody knows is true-e.g.'all unemployed people are lazy'-but that actually not only ISNT true at-all,but that it isnt even clear everybody thinks that.

 

Well actually, its the same with small dicks.You say no women really prefer small ones, but look here http://www.measurection.com/fusionbb/showtopic?.tid/264273

 

and here

 

 

Here women themselves challenge your idea about 3 inches even being a problem!!

 

 

From the gay side of things, I cant agree either that homosexual men prefer bigger.There are more sites on the net than you can count for gay men who like small!.Believe me,there are dozens more links I could post challenging the idea that big is better,yet people talk as if there is nobody out thr who believes this....

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People sometimes don't believe that because social ideals, the media etc have always taught us that bigger is better!

 

Here in the UK for instance I've watched a few episodes now of the TV show "Dating Naked" where the woman or man chooses a date on physical attributes alone. In all but one episode that I've watched, the woman has picked the guy with the largest penis. Some of the women tried their best to not make it obvious that size was the decider but the biggest guy ends up in the last two and ultimately chosen as her date due to "his thighs" or "pubic hair colour"

 

When you see a show like this it simply confirms that in many instances bigger is better! Like I said, social and media ideals have taught us this or certainly make appear this way.

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Hi Bigfor

 

Gosh, it's so long since I contributed to this forum I had to reread what I said and see if I still agree with it.

 

Yes, there are women in the world who prefer small ones and your reddit link proves this. It does NOT prove that it's common or widespread, and I would say that the general comments in the media and in person that other people have quoted on this and other forums would argue the opposite.

 

I agree that there can be popular myths and stereotypes which are wrong, of course, but I would like to see more evidence than just a few women who contribute to Reddit. Where is the public voice of this huge number of small-penis-preferring women? There are now many sexually-frank women writers, commentators and comedians, and if they talk about penis size it's invariably to say that a) it's not an issue or B) they'd like an unrealistically big one.

 

Untrue myths and stereotypes are put about because someone benefits. It benefits failing governments to find a scapegoat (gays, jews, immigrants, the unemployed) because it unites people behind them. But what are the forces keeping this widespread love of small penises suppressed? The Big Penis Mafia?

 

And yes, on Reddit one woman says she has no problem with a 3" penis and a few others support her. But on this site are a huge number of men who say they've had problems with penetration, with slipping out etc. with one that small.

 

And there are NOT more sites than I can count for men who like small! The number of sites producing professional porn that uses more than the occasional small bottom is virtually nil, unless yo include sph-y sites like cuckold stuff, which hardly proves your point! Yes, there are specialised tumblr sites circulating a small number of amateur videos between them, and they're great, but there are also a similar number of sites for people who like to wear diapers or pretend they're dogs. That doesn't mean a vast number of people are secretly diaper-wearing dog-impersonators, just that on the internet like always finds like.

 

As a gay small penis lover I have typed 'small penis' into every search box you can imagine on porn sites and google, and come across more or less the same limited amount of largely amateur material everywhere. If there is a secret source of small penis porn, please, please let me know!

 

The prejudice against small penises is irrational and stupid, but it is real in the world. Guys on this site aren't stupid or wrong "“ they deal with body issues because of what they read or hear about small penises, and what other people tell them. I'm out and proud as a small penis fancier, and people are always saying 'Why? Why on earth would you prefer that?'. Whereas my best friend is an outrageous size queen, and is never asked that question "“ of course he prefers large, who doesn't?

 

Of course I don't believe that big is better. And I have frequently stated my belief that I don't think the majority of people are seriously bothered one way or the other "“ we all know we're not going to marry George Clooney or a porn star, even if that's what we fantasise about. For women, in particular, a huge number of other factors will outweigh penis size when looking for a life partner, or even a bit of fun.

 

I'm not sure we're living in the same world, Bigfor. I live in a world where there seems to be a weird large penis obsession, and a general consensus that bigger is better, even though there is no rationale for this, and I don't think most people have a strong preference. You seem to live in a world where small is just as popular as big, where small penis porn is just as popular as large penis porn, and where just as many people say they like small ones as big ones. I would like that world to come to pass, but think we're a very long way from it at present.

 

Lots of love

 

Ash

 

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Interesting perspectives, reality vs myths, number of sites as a representation of a truth.

 

An other perspective regarding media and the truth.

 

Millions of ads/magazines and hollywood featuring svelt, chic women, the perfect shape, makeup and hair; men with nothing but 6 packs. Everyone lives a glamourous lifestyle.

Very few magazines celebrating the larger woman or man.

 

Reality is: (NIH) 67% of Americans are overweight and a full 30% medically obese and 5% extreme obesity.

 

Where are the mags representing this?

No where, but it is a more accurate representation of americans than any non-medical mag.

 

John Goodman, Chris Farley, Rosie O'dell? closer to the truth than any of the "housewives of ..."

 

Which is more widespread (no pun intended) the hollywood media portrayal of people or the medical facts.

 

So the media means JS.

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Respectfully, I disagree.

 

The media do not reflect reality, of course. They reflect a combination of what people what to sell, and what they want to see. I would say that the predominance of 6-pack men and svelte women shows that these are the images that people want to see, that are held to be desirable.

 

Porn is full of people with perfect bodies (and big dicks!). I'm not saying this is representative of the population "“ I'm using this as evidence of people's preferences, for good or ill. If the majority of people wanted to see chubby, small-dicked men, for example, then there would be more than niche porn showing it.

 

So, not JS, but evidence of preferences. If bigfor is right, and small dicks are seen as just as desirable as large ones, they should be equally present in media that shows 'desirable' images. There should also be just as much 'large penis' humour and shaming as there is small penis material of that kind.

 

Or I could be wrong "“ it could be that every guy who has come to this site for support around his small penis is simply mistaken. There is no problem! The world loves and celebrates small penises!

 

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I'll agree its what people want to see. But does that make it a preference in a partner or do they just say the same thing because that is the 'norm'. Do people really have that much of a preference in reality.

 

Since none of my partners have commented on size (too small) but lots of hmmmm perfect size and cum back for more, perhaps live preferences are different than viewing preferences.

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Oh I agree with that! That's what I keep saying - I think for most people, most of the time, it's not that much of a deal, for marriage or having fun. But a) the question keeps being asked, big or small and people tend to choose 'big', when asked, and B) there does seem to be a preference in what people like to see and read in porn/erotica.

 

Like you I suspect it's much less so in real life, just as I expect my porn stars to have perfect bodies, but in real life prefer regular ones because they make me feel less old and flabby! Big penises are kind of impressive to look at, but in reality might be a bit scary, which is one of the points bigfor is making, I guess.

 

The problem 'media life' is the one that people see. Because I am such a slut (i.e. a man with the sexual morals of a man!), I've known loads of guys and know it's generally not that much of an issue - true size queens are few and far between, I find. But of course a sexually inexperienced small guy doesn't know this: all he sees are endless people on TV saying they like big ones or shaming small ones. When you've heard all that, it only takes one bad experience to confirm your worst fears!

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pure and simple sex is over for me. You younger guys it seems so far away old age but its goes fast.I will never have sex again. I tried many things and failed at them all. now I don't want to even try. and hey to the guys who dislike me go ahead and say it I cant get no one but remember you heard it from me

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Maybe start by asking yourself, does my confidence come from my shoe size or ear length. Of course not, then why put such emphasis on penis.

 

Think, what makes a person confident. Look around you and find your confident friends, colleagues, and how many of them have a larger penis...who knows.

 

Ask them what gave them confidence....

Confidence comes from facing challenges and succeeding and then bringing that attitude of: challenge, plan, success to everything.

 

ie. Never sailed a boat, took lessons, passed course. Then went out and bought a sailboat. Untied her, motored out of the marina, sailed solo.... scared but kept reminding myself, I passed the course, I know what I am doing. hahahahahahahahahahahahah Scared shitless, in a 25 foot boat, on the ocean and in my life had been 4X on a boat previously (lessons). I survived and had a grin from ear to ear.

 

Confidence comes from success in any part of life and transfers to other parts.

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Hi Top/Ash,

 

Well, I wouldn't say you're actually wrong here, but I think the 'different world' thing is a function of you talking about something very particular.

 

You often mention porn - but how many women even look at this? Certainly many women don't really care about size at all, but obviously that doesn't prove that everyone thinks bigger is better.

 

Yes, there are gay size queens, but if you forget about hard-core porn, you see a very different picture: look at sites like /r/tinydick on Reddit - full of small penis loving bisexual men and women... and on Yahoo alone, I found at least two dating sites for gay men who love small just in my home county!

 

You ask why it is that the voice of people who prefer small isn't heard more. Well, firstly, it is out there - it isn't just one thing on Reddit. Just scrolling casually down the threads list here will yield dozens of posts - what about the one from Pinki B I just read saying 5" girth is `scary'?! I myself am nearly 5.5!! My penis would be useless to a woman like that. Like I say, there are many links I could post confirming this, and I will do this at some point.

 

Secondly, the reason might well be the same reason people go along with a lot of other ideas and stereotypes that aren't true - i.e. we have a herd instinct as a species,and if something is perceived to be true, people pay lip-service to it (conformity).

 

I said before that many things are thought to be true, but actually are not: but maybe a better way of putting it is that many people believe most people think something, even when they don't! An obvious example would be people thinking that all Muslims agree with Isis and radical Islamic terrorism.

 

There isn't a 'big penis Mafia' as such, but there's a certain culture that's grown up with the net and porn that some people take on-board, even though it doesn't reflect real life. If you ask a women of my mother's age what she thinks of great big 9" donkey-dicks of the type we see in porn, she'll simply tell you that in the real world they are useless! The reality is that very many, if not most, women would far rather have a 'small' (actually average) size penis, about 4 - 5 inches inside them whatever men imagine, than one my size and upwards, even if all other things were equal. It's simply a fact.

 

 

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Hi Bigfor

 

Er, no, it isn't simply a fact, it's an opinion, yours in fact! The only evidence you have for this majority of small-penis-preferring women is anecdotal, and I, plus a fair number of guys on this site who've experienced shaming and rejection, have had different anecdotal experiences. That may simply demonstrate that we tend to talk to people who have the same experience as us "“ neither reflects reality, and, as yet, we don't have any real evidence, certainly not enough to call something 'a fact'.

 

And one woman on this site saying that 5.5" is scary is hardly representative proves nothing. She has come to, and commented on, a site that supports small guys "“ she's hardly about to say she hates them! So scrolling casually through the lists of a small-penis-support site and finding that, gosh, it attracts people who like small ones, proves nothing whatsoever. It doesn't mean it's a majority taste in the mainstream. I bet LPSG has loads more members than dinky and measurection put together! Actually, it would be interesting to find out if that is true"¦

 

You dismiss my arguments about big-penis porn, but various ventures have tried to sell porn that showed more realistically average men and women, and they all folded through lack of demand. Even if you look at amateur sharing sites, they all advertise that they've got a huge number of big guys to look at. So, if there's a big demand for small penises, why aren't people putting their money or time where their mouth is?

 

And yes, I know that things may be perceived to be true but not actually true: I am, after all, a fag in his 50s, and have lived through all the times when people like me were thought to be child molesters, or predatory rapists of str8 guys, or god knows what else, so I'm well aware that stereotypes don't reflect anything but the interests of the people who promote them.

 

However, groups of like-minded people on Reddit don't prove that there's a huge demand. I've already pointed out that you can easily find groups online for people who want to wear diapers or pretend to be dogs, but I wouldn't take this as evidence of a mainstream trend. The fact that it's ONLY in these niches I would say argues the opposite. I think the prejudice against small ones is stupid and wrong, and exaggerates what is only a mild tendency (as I agree with you that in reality many people aren't that bothered: I've said this several times), but it is blown up by media amplification until it becomes the prevailing wisdom, which is where we are now.

 

I wish more people WOULD come forward in public and say they prefer little ones, or aren't bothered about size, and I wish that young men with small ones would read what they say. And I wish that Enrique Inglesias had stuck by his guns about admitting to have a small one, instead of taking it back when he realised that he made himself less desirable in the mainstream by saying that. In the meantime, being rumoured to have a big one is good for ratings, being rumoured to have a small one is bad for them and is therefore strenuously denied (Mick Jagger comes to mind here). When Jerry Hall says, yes Mick Jagger has a small dick and she just LOVES it, THEN I'll believe that there's a mainstream preference for small ones!

 

All the best

Ash (may as well stick with that, now it's out!)

 

 

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I have to agree with Topdog. Having a small dick as a gay man is a disadvantage because most other gay men want at least average. My recollection from being single was that only a minority of men would back out of sex when they saw I had only 4.5" down there, but only a minority were interested in seeing me again afterwards, even if everything before sex seemed to be going great. Being small meant having to be persistent.

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