Average size chart

[canuck45]

And for our USA, Liberia and Myanmar friends
 

[Lukeow]

2 hours ago, canuck45 said:

UK
Self measured. Brits 6.11-6.56
Kings College Research (2020) 5.16

No way!
Yes way, unless there is some world wide conspiracy just to make guys in the 5" range feel better
 

So, in a room of 10, only one would be larger? 
 

Yet CalcSD tells me 4 would be

So, which to believe?

 

[Appreciater]

I must admit, I can't hold this as "100%" to my acceptance.  I do believe that in a room full of guys, that, there would be many bigger than mine.  But, most stats say not. 😐 ....  Totally baffles me. ...  Above the average somewhat, though I'm not that extraordinary in that department to that extent.   

[RodEnuf]

17 minutes ago, Lukeow said:

So, in a room of 10, only one would be larger? 

NO!  In a room of 1000, about 100 would be larger.

If you flip a coin 10 times you'll get 5 heads and 5 tails?  Not likely.  In fact you may get 10 heads or 10 tails.  But if you flip the coin 1000 times you will get about 500 heads and about 500 tails.  Statistics of large numbers don't apply to small samples.

Alan G
 

[Lukeow]

15 minutes ago, RodEnuf said:

NO!  In a room of 1000, about 100 would be larger.

If you flip a coin 10 times you'll get 5 heads and 5 tails?  Not likely.  In fact you may get 10 heads or 10 tails.  But if you flip the coin 1000 times you will get about 500 heads and about 500 tails.  Statistics of large numbers don't apply to small samples.

Alan G
 

Well, CalcSD says in 1000, 400 larger, in 100 - 40, and in 10, it is 4.  Isn’t that how percentiles work?  

[RodEnuf]

28 minutes ago, Lukeow said:

Isn’t that how percentiles work?

Not for small samples.  Do I need to say that again?

NOT FOR SMALL SAMPLES!

Look up standard deviation on a statistics site.

Alan G

[Lukeow]

Percentiles

Percentile: the value below which a percentage of data falls. 

Example: You are the fourth tallest person in a group of 20

80% of people are shorter than you:

https://www.mathsisfun.com/data/images/percentile-80.svg

That means you are at the 80th percentile.

If your height is 1.85m then "1.85m" is the 80th percentile height in that group.

 

 

So, this example is for 20 people.  The data should correlate, regardless of how larger or small the dataset.  
 

If, 100 in 1000 doesn’t become 1 in 10, then that’s just completely bizarre!

[RodEnuf]

@Lukeow  We're talking about the percentiles of a population.  The percentile rank of a particular measurement in one population is not necessarily the same as the percentile rank of that same measurement in a different population.

For our purposes, we try to estimate the percentiles for the population of all adult males.  We can't actually incorporate data from every adult male.  So we rely on statistical analysis.  We attempt to draw a sufficiently large number of data from a suitably random population sample.  If we've done that well, we can use statistical analysis to specify the percentile of a particular measurement in the full population within a predictable margin of error.

But think about this, a room full of 18 to 24 year old healthy young men is not likely to have the same size distribution as a nation full of 18 to 100 year old males in various states of health.  The small sample is not representative of the larger population.  Sample size and sample selection are a vital aspect of statistical analysis.

Alan G

[Lukeow]

24 minutes ago, RodEnuf said:

@Lukeow  We're talking about the percentiles of a population.  The percentile rank of a particular measurement in one population is not necessarily the same as the percentile rank of that same measurement in a different population.

For our purposes, we try to estimate the percentiles for the population of all adult males.  We can't actually incorporate data from every adult male.  So we rely on statistical analysis.  We attempt to draw a sufficiently large number of data from a suitably random population sample.  If we've done that well, we can use statistical analysis to specify the percentile of a particular measurement in the full population within a predictable margin of error.

But think about this, a room full of 18 to 24 year old healthy young men is not likely to have the same size distribution as a nation full of 18 to 100 year old males in various states of health.  The small sample is not representative of the larger population.  Sample size and sample selection are a vital aspect of statistical analysis.

Alan G

I get all of this.  That said, you would think that if the studies are reliable, then there would likely be some correlation. 
 

I disbelieve the data that the studies of circa 15,000 men (not a particularly large number really, when you consider the global male population) because what I’ve seen in terms of comparison - both in person and via online means - would have my size frequently coming out smaller than other men of similar age, physique, ability, etc.  Thats really the demographic I wish to compare with and feel at ease within.  So, when I come here and get shouted at for “not having a small penis” or being a “flat earther”, it’s really quite unfair - my own life experiences have contributed to my own anxieties around size.  This is why it frustrates me that such datasets are used to try and appease my anxieties.

[Appreciater]

@RodEnuf ....

I do understand the principle of the standard.   I do also believe in Regional differences.   ....  A thousand guys' genetic blend from my more rural southern Indiana area, would be more confined than New York, Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, etc.  (As even thirty or more miles away, you and your wife have extended relatives and ancestry in all directions.. which interlinks almost all families in some way) This would lend to a more hybridized dick size than other regions (which would have a different localized blend).   I can see that the average dick size would vary from region to region, based on genetic blend.

As I may have stated before, my Own family tree looks more like a bramble bush than a tree... and so does the vast majority of the other peoples' in this region.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Appreciater

[canuck45]

Actually for a 95% confidence and 2% margin of error you only need 2401 samples.
So get a room of 2401  males, representative of world population, and you will probably have your 200 males larger, the rest the same or smaller.

Statistics is a mess of calculations that don't make sense until you start doing them regularly.

Small sample size, non-random samples, non-representative samples... all skew statistics.
ie 

Anecdotal Evidence
Heart Disease 1 in 5 (20% CDC)
I have my "log" of dead friends (21 of them) 2 died from heart disease (10%), the rest: cancer, OD, accidents, strokes, aneurisms
I disagree with them, CDC must be wrong.

I went to 30 AA meetings, 30 people at each meeting, 900 people
I have seen 0 blacks at meetings.
Stats Canada says 1.3 million blacks and ~80,000 of people have addiction problems
I have seen 0, when there should have been at least 2.
I don't believe them  (CDC and Stats Canada), they are wrong.

In high school (1200 student population) only 3 blacks (0.25%)
Stats Canada sys 3.5% of the population are black
I disagree  and I don't believe them.

63.1% of Canadians are obese or overweight.
One of my friends on facebook is (1 in 121 or 0.8%)
I don't believe Stats Canada and the CDC
 

6 hours ago, Lukeow said:

This is why it frustrates me that such datasets are used to try and appease my anxieties.

The data set isn't used to appease your anxieties.
It's a dataset and analysis.

Obstinance: characteristic of being impossibly stubborn; sticking to an opinion, purpose, or course of action in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion

So yeah, I compare you to a flat earther: people who stubbornly stick to their "opinion", no matter what evidence is provided.  Only thing that counts is their argument and their "evidence" based on their "research and anecdotes".  Everything that doesn't agree is wrong, wrong and wrong and not to be believed.

 

[Lukeow]

I am not obstinate, I just require more evidence than a set of numbers taken from a random selection of men, and a relatively small sample when you consider global male population.  

I need to see physical evidence.  A visible manifestation that my penis isn’t inadequate or ugly, unattractive, unable to satisfy a women fully.  My real world experience is that my penis is the smallest that I have seen - in comparison as a teenager with a few friends, in locker rooms, at urinals.  I don’t see smaller than me. Yeah, ok, that is when flaccid, but my mind tells me that there is a correlation between flaccid and erect size - I don’t believe that (in general) smaller flaccid penis’ will elongate to outgrow a larger flaccid penis, nor even to match.  
 

Flat earther’s ignore real worldly evidence.  That is the difference.  
 

Put me in a room with 10 other men my age, height, physical condition, strip us off, measure us soft and hard and I would lay my house I would come in the bottom 2 or 3 in length.  I wouldn’t be “average” “normal” “adequate”.  I’d be an outlier. 

[canuck45]

More evidence....
10 studies, 50 studies, 100 studies, how many do you need.
Oh it doesn't matter how many studies are done....you won't believe it anyway, deniers never do.

The studies didn't use  small samplings, 6X the size need for a 95% confidence level and 2% margin of error.

Obstinance: resolute adherence to your own ideas

You stick to your own ideas, regardless of the overwhelming evidence (which is unacceptable/inadequate to you, the experts find it valid)
No different than flat earthers, they deny the real evidence too.
Along with the "moon landing is fake" deniers.

FROAD

 

Edited December 10, 2022 by canuck45

[Appreciater]

I know that the available evidence and stats all point to practically identical conclusions.   It is difficult to accept in my own mind sometimes that I am where the stats rate mine.   My mind wants to bounce between...ok that's the way it is,.. to .. oh, that can't be.   I guess I should be pleased and just accept it, but my full consciousness of it still hasn't all soaked totally in.   Maybe it's because I don't want anyone to consider that it's a "museum" piece to lord over others, as I don't.   ...and if it ever seems that way, I'm being misunderstood.!!   I'm just one of the guys, with my problems and doubts on the other side of the spectrum.

[Lukeow]

@Appreciater if I had your size I would accept that it is a larger, rarer one. 7-7.5 erect is visibly much larger than my 5.75 bone pressed effort. 

[Caleb LoShem]

  Luke, I think these charts are accurate. If one looks at porn, one can get a very distorted concept of what is average. And to make matters worse, MUCH of porn is faked, there is plastic and silicone involved. Digital editing. And then there are the choosing of the smallest woman that can be found for some shots, a special lens for the camera, and exceptionally carefully chosen angles. You're a big guy. I'm sorry if you are unhappy about that, but thats whats true. 

 Personally, I think these charts are accurate and truthful. If I am reading them right, at 3 & 5/8ths erect, I am smaller than 97.5% of others. I ENJOY being. Scratch that, I don't JUST enjoy it, I FREAKIN LOVE IT ! My wife now, and my exwife from 30 yrs ago BOTH tell me I am the smallest that they've have. By FAR the smallest. I think thats AWESOME, and would even get just alittle smaller, if there were a medically safe and predictable way to do. I also read studies from women's doctors and therapists that claim that 65-80% of women DON'T  usually cum just from being fucked.You're mistaking porn for reality again. I think my little soldier has induced 'intercourse only' orgasms half a dozen times in over 40 yrs of doing it. What do you think your fingers are for ?   

 

  C45, all that said, however, the earth really IS flat, and the moon landings WERE faked. But I don't see how that is relevant to cock size. Luke just WISHES he were small, like us, and he is angry and jealous because he is not.  Maybe a six month course of Finasteride could help him. I know what it did to me. 

  CLS

[Appreciater]

@Caleb LoShem ..... 

I think we look at these charts and stats, and see the facts.   ... In an off the wall comparison, it's a little like a doctor showing you his detailed report showing that you have terminal cancer.   You Do believe what you see in his report... however... actually Accepting that it is the fact is a different matter.

[Lukeow]

I don’t watch a lot of porn these days, but I am aware that the largest of penis’ in porn are an exception to the rule.  I don’t disbelieve that.  I accept that those huge guys are the true exception to the rule.
From experience and from the thousands of images available online, however, I have seen many, many, many more larger penis’ than mine.  Not massively larger - 1-2”, but in penis terms, 0.5” and additional girth can make a huge difference in appearance.
 

It is the appearance and size of my penis that I struggle with.  It is small compared to the rest of my body.  It does not look right.  It is thin, curved and off the left. It does not look attractive.  Its length is not enough, nor its girth to negate my feelings about my body.  I would like to feel more attractive in my own skin.  I would like to have the confidence an attractive penis would bring.

 

I don’t believe the length of the penis is the only thing that makes it attractive or not.  It is also about girth, angle, and - more importantly - its appearance and proportion against the surrounding body to which it is attached.  
 

It is not purely the length of my penis that I have issue with.  
 

By comparison, @SloStroker is someone on this forum who has a shorter penis, but one which is fuller looking and what I would deem more attractive from the images he has shared here.  
 

 

[canuck45]

41 minutes ago, Lukeow said:

......It does not look right.

Now we are getting into perception (thoughts) and that is something a therapist could possibly help with.  

Edited December 12, 2022 by canuck45

[Lukeow]

11 hours ago, canuck45 said:

Now we are getting into perception (thoughts) and that is something a therapist could possibly help with.  

It’s always been about perception really - my experiences, what I see in others comparatively with what I see in me.  
 

Me my perception (interpretation) of the datasets used in the studies is one of disbelief and confusion based on my real world visual experience and interpretation of other penis’ in relation to mine.

 

I am undertaking therapy now. I remain sceptical that it will resolve my issues.  I fundamentally believe I need to see and be around other erect penis’ (in a non sexual way) that are the same size or smaller than mine, in a group of men a similar age, height, physique and ability as myself for me to accept that I’m normal and represent something akin to above average.  This is never likely to happen. 

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, Lukeow said:

I am undertaking therapy now. I remain skeptical that it will resolve my issues.  I fundamentally believe I need to see and be around other erect penis’ (in a non sexual way) that are the same size or smaller than mine, in a group of men a similar age, height, physique and ability as myself for me to accept that I’m normal and represent something akin to above average.  This is never likely to happen. 

Why don't you say to yourself such a thing is ridiculous? 

"Never likely to happen" gives your obsession weight it doesn't deserve. 

Oddly, your genital status isn't dramatically off the mark.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by wondering4

[Lukeow]

@wondering4 well, it is ridiculous.  That’s my point.  
 

I believe, if I were presented with such an opportunity and the results demonstrated what the CalcSD datasets and studies they are taken from suggests, that I would walk away with a changed perception.  
 

 

[Guest]

That won't happen because those significantly smaller than you are are few in number and to a large extent avoid nude situations because their unresolved feelings of "not belonging" are far more severe.

Maybe you should focus on the fact you are only slightly underendowed (if at all) compared to those dramatically underendowed.

[canuck45]

So the therapist might look at why you disbelieve these studies and require seeing is believing....where does that stem from.
ie
Do you believe there are approx. 358,473,291 Americans? Yes
Do you believe there are ~38,492,112 Canadians? Yes
Do you believe a Shelby Mustang Super Snake puts out ~825 HP? Yes
Do you believe the average penis is ~5.2", NO not compared to what I see and have experienced.

Have you seen 35847329 Americans.
NO of course not, Piss off, what a stupid question  LOL
Why do you believe some stats (information) and accept it but not others?

I am NOT your therapist so don't answer, maybe food for thought to discuss with hi/er
Part of a process of discovery.

BTW don't be surprised if you experience anger....a common emotional reaction when one's beliefs are challenged or even questioned, especially deep rooted ones.

And yes, as a counsellor I would use examples like these to get them to understand the process and to look at belief systems.....use extreme/ridiculous examples and than start to narrow it down or more focused on the actually issue.

Have faith in therapy and the process,  it takes time....

I retract my previous comments of obstinance. 
When one seeks help in understanding, looking within, and willing to consider other perspectives, one is not obstinate.  Confused, stuck, imprinted????

[Guest]

My edited version:  (exceeded editing time)

That won't happen because those significantly smaller than you are are few in number and to a large extent avoid nude situations because their unresolved feelings of "not belonging" are far more severe.

Maybe you should focus on the fact you are only slightly underendowed (if at all) compared to those dramatically underendowed instead of comparing to those who enjoy showing off their dicks, the ones who disproportionately populate locker rooms.

Actually, I understand your feelings precisely except I really was and am dramatically underendowed, so there was no doubt about that.  So, pretending I was perceived as "normal", which I tried, didn't cut it.

I don't usually mention it, but, shamefully, I usually relied on alcohol to function in spite of my genital status.  Being sexually active was entirely dependent on drinking in my case.

Edited December 13, 2022 by wondering4